{"id":1475,"date":"2017-01-26T09:23:59","date_gmt":"2017-01-26T09:23:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/longkft.hu\/audioblog\/?p=1475"},"modified":"2023-07-22T08:39:06","modified_gmt":"2023-07-22T08:39:06","slug":"long-osvenye-avagy-a-tapellatas-zavarai-6","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/longkft.hu\/audioblog\/long-osvenye-avagy-a-tapellatas-zavarai-6\/","title":{"rendered":"Long \u00f6sv\u00e9nye &#8211; avagy a t\u00e1pell\u00e1t\u00e1s zavarai (6)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Az eddigieket \u00f6sszefoglalva:<\/span><\/strong><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> Amennyiben a villany\u00f3r\u00e1t\u00f3l az audio- \u00e9s video-k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9keinkig <em>(\u00e9s az azokon bel\u00fcli!)<\/em> szakaszon cs\u00f6kkentj\u00fck <em>(netal\u00e1n teljesen megsz\u00fcntetj\u00fck)<\/em> azokat a probl\u00e9m\u00e1kat, probl\u00e9m\u00e1s helyeket, melyek zavarj\u00e1k az \u00e1ram akad\u00e1lytalan halad\u00e1s\u00e1t, valamint megpr\u00f3b\u00e1ljuk az \u00e1ramot megtiszt\u00edtani a &#8222;r\u00e1rak\u00f3dott&#8221; zajokt\u00f3l, hat\u00e1rozottan jobb k\u00e9p- \u00e9s hangmin\u0151s\u00e9gben lesz r\u00e9sz\u00fcnk. R\u00e1ad\u00e1sul, mivel minden mindennel \u00f6sszef\u00fcgg, a lak\u00e1s teljes elektromos h\u00e1l\u00f3zat\u00e1n rendet kell(ene) teremten\u00fcnk.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Aki legal\u00e1bb n\u00e9h\u00e1ny praktik\u00e1t kipr\u00f3b\u00e1lt a kor\u00e1bban le\u00edrtakb\u00f3l, tapasztalhatta, hogy &#8222;valami van&#8221;, aki t\u00f6bbet is, netal\u00e1n mindent megcsin\u00e1lt az aj\u00e1nlottak k\u00f6z\u00fcl, gondolom, velem egy\u00fctt b\u00f3logat, hogy ezzel bizony \u00e9rdemes komolyabban is foglalkozni. \u00d6r\u00fcl\u00f6k, hogy t\u00f6bben is jelezt\u00e9k pozit\u00edv tapasztalataikat, nagyon fontos, el\u0151r\u00e9bb viv\u0151 \u00e9szrev\u00e9teleiket. Sajnos, a probl\u00e9ma &#8222;meg\u00edt\u00e9l\u00e9se&#8221; n\u00e9h\u00e1ny ember &#8222;hangos&#8221; hozz\u00e1\u00e1ll\u00e1sa miatt, t\u00f6bben csak mag\u00e1nlevelez\u00e9sben mert\u00e9k meg\u00edrni \u00f6tleteiket, pozit\u00edv \u00e9lm\u00e9nyeiket&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Akkor j\u00f6jj\u00f6n a &#8222;nagy\u00e1gy\u00fa&#8221;, amir\u0151l m\u00e1r t\u00f6bben hallottak, de m\u00e9g nem mertek belev\u00e1gni, sokan pedig m\u00e1r meg is csin\u00e1lt\u00e1k, ki\u00e9p\u00edtett\u00e9k &#8211; ez nem m\u00e1s, mint az \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3 t\u00e1pell\u00e1t\u00e1s, vagyis &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9ny&#8221;.<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">A t\u00e9m\u00e1ban j\u00e1rtasabbaknak ismer\u0151s lehet a Roy n\u00e9v. 2006-ban a nemzetk\u00f6zi NAIM f\u00f3rumon \u00edrt javaslatokat a hangtechnikai k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9kekhez ki\u00e9p\u00edtett, \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3 elektromos vezet\u00e9kkel kapcsolatban, ami Magyarorsz\u00e1gon <a href=\"https:\/\/longkft.hu\/audioblog\/?s=darvas+l%C3%A1szl%C3%B3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color: #ff6600;\">Darvas L\u00e1szl\u00f3 cikkeivel<\/span><\/a>, majd sz\u00e1jhagyom\u00e1ny \u00fatj\u00e1n v\u00e1lt k\u00f6zismert\u00e9, mint &#8222;Roy \u00f6sv\u00e9nye&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Jogosan felmer\u00fclhet a k\u00e9rd\u00e9s, hogy akkor ezen cikksorozat c\u00edme mi\u00e9rt is lett &#8222;Long \u00f6sv\u00e9nye&#8221;?\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">1986-87-ben \u00e9p\u00edtettem ki els\u0151 &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nyemet&#8221;, ami m\u00e1r akkor nagyon sok mindent tartalmazott mindabb\u00f3l, amir\u0151l eddig \u00edrtam, s amir\u0151l m\u00e9g fogok. Teh\u00e1t az \u00f6sv\u00e9ny\u00e9p\u00edt\u00e9s szenved\u00e9lye n\u00e1lam Roy el\u0151tt 20 \u00e9vvel kezd\u0151d\u00f6tt. Azonban nem csak n\u00e1lam. A t\u00e1pell\u00e1t\u00e1s fontoss\u00e1g\u00e1ra nagyon sokan felfigyeltek \u00e9s a vil\u00e1g sz\u00e1mtalan pontj\u00e1n <em>(Magyarorsz\u00e1gon is)<\/em>, egym\u00e1st\u00f3l f\u00fcggetlen\u00fcl, egym\u00e1s \u00f6tleteit nem ismerve jutottak az &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9ny\u00e9p\u00edt\u00e9s&#8221; gondolat\u00e1ra. Ezen egym\u00e1st\u00f3l f\u00fcggetlen\u00fcl kialakult, egy\u00e9ni megold\u00e1sok, azonban nagyon sok hasonl\u00f3s\u00e1got tartalmaztak, f\u00fcggetlen\u00fcl att\u00f3l, hogy ki\u00f6tl\u0151je gondolkod\u00f3 amat\u0151r, vagy hozz\u00e1\u00e9rt\u0151 elektrom\u00e9rn\u00f6k.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Stage 6\/1 &#8211; a &#8222;nagy\u00e1gy\u00fa&#8221;<\/strong><\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ism\u00e9telj\u00fcnk \u00e1t n\u00e9h\u00e1ny fontos t\u00e9nyt:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: left;\">\n<li style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">A t\u00e1pell\u00e1t\u00e1s szempontj\u00e1b\u00f3l legfontosabb a vezet\u00e9kel\u00e9s utols\u00f3 10-12 m\u00e9teres szakasza <em>(nincs sz\u00fcks\u00e9g Paksig kih\u00fazott &#8222;aranyk\u00e1belre&#8221;)<\/em>.<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">A biztos\u00edt\u00e9koknak van &#8222;saj\u00e1thangjuk&#8221;.<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Lak\u00e1sunk elektromos h\u00e1l\u00f3zata hat\u00e1ssal van audio- \u00e9s videok\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9keinkre.<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Minden egyes elektromos k\u00f6t\u00e9s, falicsatlakoz\u00f3, hosszabb\u00edt\u00f3, eloszt\u00f3 zavarforr\u00e1s lehet.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ha ezeken elgondolkodunk, szinte mag\u00e1t\u00f3l ad\u00f3dik az \u00f6tlet, hogy hangrendszer\u00fcnket t\u00e1pl\u00e1ljuk k\u00fcl\u00f6n biztos\u00edt\u00e9kr\u00f3l, megszak\u00edt\u00e1s n\u00e9lk\u00fcl ki\u00e9p\u00edtett vezet\u00e9kr\u0151l. Teh\u00e1t \u00e9p\u00edts\u00fcnk &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nyt&#8221;, ami a kor\u00e1bban eml\u00edtett maratoni t\u00e1vot fut\u00f3 ember\u00fcnk sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra egy lejt\u0151s, h\u00e1tszeles, igazi &#8222;jutalomfut\u00e1st&#8221; jelentene. Az \u00f6tlet t\u00f6k\u00e9letes, azonban miel\u0151tt rohann\u00e1nk szerel\u0151t h\u00edvni, gondoljunk v\u00e9gig n\u00e9h\u00e1ny dolgot, mert egy j\u00f3 \u00f6tlet is lehet m\u00e9g jobb, ak\u00e1r ugyanakkora p\u00e9nz\u00fcgyi vonzattal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">El\u0151sz\u00f6r is a kismegszak\u00edt\u00f3 k\u00e9rd\u00e9se. Ha m\u00e1shova nem is, \u00f6sv\u00e9ny\u00fcnk elej\u00e9re felt\u00e9tlen\u00fcl v\u00e1lasszunk valamilyen jobb hang\u00fa v\u00e1ltozatot, aminek \u00e9rt\u00e9ke egyezzen meg a villany\u00f3r\u00e1n l\u00e9v\u0151 f\u0151biztos\u00edt\u00e9kkal.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"> &#8230;azonban r\u00f6gt\u00f6n itt meg is kell \u00e1llnunk, mert m\u00e1ris van n\u00e9h\u00e1ny eld\u00f6ntend\u0151 k\u00e9rd\u00e9s.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Egy\u00e1ltal\u00e1n h\u00e1ny \u00f6sv\u00e9nyt \u00e9rdemes ki\u00e9p\u00edteni?<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">A v\u00e1laszt mindenkinek mag\u00e1nak kell eld\u00f6ntenie. Amennyiben csak zen\u00e9t hallgatunk, akkor legal\u00e1bb 1 db \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3 t\u00e1pell\u00e1t\u00e1sra lenne sz\u00fcks\u00e9g. A h\u00e1zimozit szint\u00e9n \u00e9rdemes f\u00fcggetlen\u00edteni a lak\u00e1s t\u00f6bbi r\u00e9sz\u00e9t\u0151l, s\u0151t audio- \u00e9s video-k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9keinket is egym\u00e1st\u00f3l, \u00edgy az is kapjon k\u00fcl\u00f6n vezet\u00e9ket. Aki teh\u00e1t k\u00fcl\u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3 h\u00e1zimozival \u00e9s &#8222;zen\u00e9vel&#8221; rendelkezik, annak 2 db &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nyre&#8221; van sz\u00fcks\u00e9ge.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Az egyszer\u0171s\u00e9g kedv\u00e9\u00e9rt a tov\u00e1bbiakban csak az audio-renszerrel foglalkozunk, h\u00e1zimozi eset\u00e9n ugyanezen gondolatok \u00e9rv\u00e9nyesek. Nagyon j\u00f3 eredm\u00e9nyt \u00e9rhet\u00fcnk el, ha k\u00fcl\u00f6nv\u00e1lasztjuk a digit\u00e1lis \u00e9s az anal\u00f3g k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9keket egym\u00e1st\u00f3l, k\u00fcl\u00f6n digit\u00e1lis \u00e9s anal\u00f3g &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9ny&#8221; ki\u00e9p\u00edt\u00e9s\u00e9vel. Ha m\u00e1r \u00e9p\u00edtkez\u00fcnk, legy\u00fcnk ped\u00e1nsak \u00e9s l\u00e1ssuk el minden k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9k\u00fcnket k\u00fcl\u00f6n biztos\u00edt\u00e9kr\u00f3l t\u00e1pl\u00e1lt, k\u00fcl\u00f6n &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nnyel&#8221;. Teljesen logikus, azonban \u00e1llj! Mondom \u00e1llj &#8211; magamnak is.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Miel\u0151tt beleesn\u00e9nk egy nagyon s\u00falyos \u00e9s k\u00f6lts\u00e9ges csapd\u00e1ba, el\u0151sz\u00f6r is hat\u00e1rozzuk meg a ki\u00e9p\u00edt\u00e9sre sz\u00e1nt p\u00e9nzkeretet. Amennyiben ezen \u00e9rt\u00e9k k\u00f6zel\u00edt a v\u00e9gtelenhez, akkor szabad a p\u00e1lya, olyan k\u00e1belb\u0151l \u00e9s annyi &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nyt&#8221; \u00e9p\u00edthet\u00fcnk, amennyit akarunk. Azonban, ha anyagilag k\u00f6t\u00f6ttek vagyunk, akkor figyelembe kell venni egy nagyon fontos megtapasztal\u00e1st. Egy j\u00f3 \u00f6sv\u00e9ny eset\u00e9n<em> (jobb k\u00e1bel, jobb biztos\u00edt\u00e9k)<\/em>, mindig jobb hangot kapunk, mintha minden k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9khez k\u00fcl\u00f6n \u00e9p\u00edten\u00e9nk ki azt, azonban rosszabb alapanyagokb\u00f3l! Teh\u00e1t ink\u00e1bb 1 nagyon j\u00f3 &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9ny&#8221;, mint k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9kenk\u00e9nt valamilyen gyeng\u00e9bb. Aki nem hiszi, annak sz\u00edvesen megmutatom az audio-k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9keimhez falba h\u00fazott 6 db egyforma, \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3 k\u00e1belez\u00e9st, amib\u0151l m\u00e1r csak egyet haszn\u00e1lok, azt is kiz\u00e1r\u00f3lag hangulatvil\u00e1g\u00edt\u00e1shoz&#8230;\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Amin viszont \u00e9rdemes elgondolkodni, az a digit\u00e1lis \u00e9s anal\u00f3g r\u00e9sz elv\u00e1laszt\u00e1sa, k\u00fcl\u00f6n &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nyen&#8221; t\u00f6rt\u00e9n\u0151 \u00e1ramell\u00e1t\u00e1sa.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Visszat\u00e9rve a biztos\u00edt\u00e9kt\u00e1bl\u00e1hoz &#8211; teh\u00e1t, ha eld\u00f6nt\u00f6tt\u00fck, h\u00e1ny \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3 vezet\u00e9ket \u00e9p\u00edt\u00fcnk ki, annyi darab <em>(hangilag)<\/em> j\u00f3 min\u0151s\u00e9g\u0171 kismegszak\u00edt\u00f3t szerezz\u00fcnk be.<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">A k\u00f6vetkez\u0151 k\u00e9rd\u00e9s, k\u00e9pesek vagyunk-e \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3an kivitelezni az \u00f6tletet, vagy villanyszerel\u0151re van sz\u00fcks\u00e9g &#8211; \u00e1ltal\u00e1ban ez ut\u00f3bbi a c\u00e9lravezet\u0151bb. Sajnos, itt fel kell h\u00edvnom mindenki figyelm\u00e9t egy nagyon fontos probl\u00e9m\u00e1ra. Minden tiszteletem azon villanyszerel\u0151k\u00e9, akikkel eddig tal\u00e1lkoztam, \u00e9s ugyan\u00edgy a t\u00f6bbiek sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra is felt\u00e9tlen\u00fcl megel\u0151legezem bizalmamat. Azonban nem egyedi eset, hogy zenebar\u00e1t felebar\u00e1tunk elk\u00f6lt\u00f6tt rengeteg p\u00e9nzt 50-60 m\u00e9ter k\u00e1belre az &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nyek&#8221; ki\u00e9p\u00edt\u00e9s\u00e9hez, s azokb\u00f3l be is ker\u00fclt n\u00e9h\u00e1ny m\u00e9ter a szakaszok elej\u00e9re \u00e9s v\u00e9g\u00e9re, ahol l\u00e1tsz\u00f3dtak, a t\u00f6bbit pedig &#8222;p\u00f3tolt\u00e1k&#8221;. F\u00e9lre\u00e9rt\u00e9s ne legyen, nem \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos\u00edt\u00e1sk\u00e9nt, hanem jelz\u00e9sk\u00e9nt vagyok k\u00e9nytelen ezen megt\u00f6rt\u00e9nt esetekre utalni.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Teh\u00e1t eld\u00f6nt\u00f6tt\u00fck, h\u00e1ny &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9nyt&#8221; k\u00e9sz\u00edt\u00fcnk, eld\u00f6nt\u00f6tt\u00fck h\u00e1ny \u00e9s milyen biztos\u00edt\u00e9kot szerel\u00fcnk majd az eloszt\u00f3t\u00e1bl\u00e1ra, eld\u00f6nt\u00f6tt\u00fck, kivel csin\u00e1ltatjuk, \u00e9s most j\u00f6n a legfontosabb, legnehezebb szakasz. El kell d\u00f6nten\u00fcnk, milyen k\u00e1belb\u0151l <em>(k\u00e1belekb\u0151l)<\/em> \u00e9p\u00edtkezz\u00fcnk &#8211; biztosak lehettek benne, hogy nem egyszer\u0171 feladat! Alapszinten vannak olyan megold\u00e1sok, melyek evidensek, mindenhol egyforma eredm\u00e9nyt adnak, s ha a munka nagy r\u00e9sz\u00e9t magatok oldj\u00e1tok meg, akkor m\u00e9g olcs\u00f3ak is. Azonban az \u00e1r- \u00e9s min\u0151s\u00e9gl\u00e9tr\u00e1n feljebb l\u00e9pkedve vannak sz\u00e1munkra jobb \u00e9s rosszabb megold\u00e1sok \u00e9s ak\u00e1r t\u00e9vutak is!<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Sajnos, tapasztaltabb &#8222;k\u00e1bel\u00e9p\u00edt\u0151k&#8221; is nehezen fogadj\u00e1k el, hogy ami valahol m\u00e1r bev\u00e1lt, m\u00e1shol mi\u00e9rt jelenthetne visszal\u00e9p\u00e9st. <\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">A v\u00e1lasz nagyon egyszer\u0171, azonban ebb\u0151l k\u00f6vetkez\u0151en egyben neh\u00e9z is az a d\u00f6nt\u00e9s, hogy milyen k\u00e1belb\u0151l \u00e9p\u00edtkezzetek.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ah\u00e1ny t\u00e1pk\u00e1bel, annyif\u00e9le hang &#8211; ezt egy kicsit neh\u00e9z elfogadni, megmagyar\u00e1zni pedig pl\u00e1ne neh\u00e9z, de ez van. Ezt mutatja a m\u00e1ra szinte v\u00e9gtelen sz\u00e1m\u00fa megtapasztal\u00e1s. Teh\u00e1t nem csak zajokat sz\u00fcntethetnek meg, nem csak jav\u00edtj\u00e1k az energia\u00e1raml\u00e1st, hanem t\u00f6bb\u00e9-kev\u00e9sb\u00e9 belesz\u00f3lnak a rendszer t\u00f3nus\u00e1ba is.\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Ennek tipikus p\u00e9ld\u00e1ja a m\u00e1r eml\u00edtett Roy-f\u00e9le &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9ny&#8221;, ugyanis Roy aj\u00e1nl\u00e1s\u00e1ban egy bizonyos 10 mm2-es k\u00e1bel szerepelt. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Rengetegen beszerezt\u00e9k a javasolt k\u00e1belt, ki\u00e9p\u00edtett\u00e9k az \u00f6n\u00e1ll\u00f3 t\u00e1pell\u00e1t\u00e1st \u00e9s boldogan d\u0151ltek h\u00e1tra a kapott hangt\u00f3l. Sz\u00f3 szerint &#8222;d\u0151ltek&#8221;, mert nagyot sz\u00f3lt, lehengerl\u0151 volt, dinamikus volt &#8211; mintha kicser\u00e9lt\u00e9k volna er\u0151s\u00edt\u0151j\u00fcket egy sokkal nagyobbra. Sokakn\u00e1l bev\u00e1lt, sokan haszn\u00e1lj\u00e1k ma is, azonban sz\u00e1mtalan zenebar\u00e1t n\u00e9h\u00e1ny h\u00f3nap alatt arra volt k\u00e9nytelen r\u00e1j\u00f6nni, hogy a 10 mm2-es \u00f6sv\u00e9nynek k\u00f6sz\u00f6nhet\u0151en nem csak er\u0151s\u00edt\u0151j\u00fck lett nagyobbra &#8222;cser\u00e9lve&#8221;, hanem teljes rendszer\u00fcket is &#8222;kicser\u00e9lt\u00e9k&#8221; egy sokkal rosszabbra. \u0150k visszak\u00f6t\u00f6tt\u00e9k hangrendszer\u00fcket a lak\u00e1s r\u00e9gi h\u00e1l\u00f3zat\u00e1ra, vagy \u00fajragondolva az \u00f6tletet, gondosabban v\u00e1lasztottak k\u00e1belt.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\">Itt jegyzem meg, hogy a 10 mm2-es &#8222;\u00f6sv\u00e9ny&#8221; magyarorsz\u00e1gi propag\u00e1tora <em>(t\u00f6bb \u00e9vtizede j\u00f3 bar\u00e1tom)<\/em>, szint\u00e9n r\u00f6vid id\u0151 alatt megszabadult a k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00e9kekhez k\u00fcl\u00f6n-k\u00fcl\u00f6n ki\u00e9p\u00edtett 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